When they arrive at the studio, Rob is predictably grouchy, but he’s no match for Celeste. Especially not now. To distract herself from her own messy and confusing swirl of emotions, Celeste puts her charm into full gear. By the time she’s done setting up, she, Rob, and Marge are all chatting and laughing like she’s their long-lost granddaughter.

Rob is approaching eighty-five, while Marge is “young,” according to her husband, at almost eighty. As Celeste finishes her coffee, the couple says they’ve been married for sixty years, more than two times her age.

Gemma begins the interview, Celeste quietly walks around, slowly circling the space with her camera like she usually does. Rob and Marge are both white. Their faces are wrinkled, and their backs are stooped with age. Rob is bald, with thick gray eyebrows that Celeste can tell used to be black, while Marge has white, curly hair that used to be golden.

Celeste never knew her grandparents, since the ones on her dad’s side opposed her parents’ marriage and never bothered to be a part of her life, while her mom’s parents passed before she could form any real memories of them. The only thing Celeste remembers is what her mom told her when she was little.

“Your grandparents loved each other very much to their dying day,” she’d say. “It’s the reason why I’ve always believed in love.”

As Celeste takes pictures of the couple’s joined hands and the little knowing smiles that they occasionally give each other, Celeste wonders if this is what her grandparents were like, too. She grins at the thought.

Celeste usually only half listens to what Gemma and the interviewees say, since she’s too busy figuring out the best shots or checking on the cameras. So she misses the first part of the conversation, but she does catch Rob say, “When I was in my seventies, I felt like I could do anything. Past eighty though? Forget about it. Take me to the nearest crematorium.”

Celeste covers her mouth before her laughter can burst through and ruin the recording. As the interview progresses, she notices that Gemma adds a couple more questions than usual, like, “Has your opinion of each other changed from when you got married to now?”

“Of course!” Rob says. “I love her even more now than I did back then.” At the same time Marge replies, “No, not really. I always loved him a lot, then and now.”

Celeste’s favorite moment is when Gemma asks the couple about their future plans.

With a completely deadpan face, Rob says, “Die.”

Even Celeste can’t help but snicker this time. She’ll have to edit the sound out later.

Gemma wraps up like she always does, by asking, “How would you define love?”