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…

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in the Bible

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yes

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says, “The wages of sin is death.”

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“Death” is not “Hell”

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means eternal death

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says who? says you?

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no, the Word of God

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show me

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when read in context

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what context are you referring to?

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Luke 16:28

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yes—?

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(Fumbling with Bible.)

talks about—Jesus he—

let me find it—says …

okay

“Let him warn them, so that they

will not also come to this place of torment.”

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which is

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Hell

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says “a place of torment”

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and that’s not Hell?

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wouldn’t you call guilt, feeling bad about what you’ve done,

a place of torment?

Isn’t that torment enough?

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then what about

Matthew, chapter 10,

or Luke 12,

Matthew 5, verse 22

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yes—?

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again and again and again, Jesus says, Jesus, He
warns us of Hell, of the danger of Hell, tells us again
and again, about sinners getting thrown into Hell.

Here it’s:

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but it

doesn’t say “Hell”

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are you going to let me read it?

PASTOR

sorry
go ahead

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“Fear God, who has the power to kill you and then throw you into Hell.”

PASTOR

It doesn’t really say “Hell.”

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didn’t I just say “Hell”?

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you said “Hell.” But it does not say “Hell.”

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…

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In the original language the word “Hell” is not used.
Instead it’s “Gehena” and “Gehena” is the name of a

of a garbage dump, a a a place where they burned trash
just outside of Jerusalem.

He was just saying that criminals,
when they die,

often get thrown into that particular trash heap—

which was factually true, so that’s
actually what he’s talking about.

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…

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…

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First Corinthians

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Congregation, please turn to First Corinthians so you can follow along

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15:22

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Chapter 15, verse 22,
read along

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“For as in Adam all die,”

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“For as in Adam all die,”

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“so also in Christ”

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“so also in Christ”

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“shall all be made alive.”

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“shall all … be made alive.”

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yes

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As in Adam we die.

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that’s what it—yes—it says

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but of course we do die, we know that,
we die

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but then the “alive” means that it’s different

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different from whatever it is with Adam

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yes

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so clearly Christ does something.

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It’s saying that if you’re going to live,
you need Christ

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sure

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so

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so?

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And you say, you say this boy,

the boy in the missionary’s story,

who uh doesn’t believe the Word, doesn’t

believe Jesus is the Son of God,

doesn’t come from a faith that believes in Christ

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that is correct, he did not believe in Christ

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so yes, I’m sorry but:

it is certainly,

without a doubt,

a sad and moving story about