Budd Hopkins: "And they were out, too?"

"And they had uniforms. They were all lying on —"

Budd Hopkins: "Unconscious?"

"Tables — no, they were beds, but they were solid — no legs. They were going out in both directions, sort of."

Budd Hopkins: "Many?"

"Lots of them. Yeah."

"You were allowed to sit up?"

"I was sitting up. I was happy and sitting up. Very excited. Then the next thing I knew I saw my father and I was terrified because he was so scared."

Budd Hopkins: "Was this the same scene or a different place?"

"No, this was the same lace. It was not quite. I was sitting in a chair and here was a gray thing in front of me like a gray box that came down — totally gray — I could see the edges of it and the bottom but not the top. Because I was restricted sort of in my movements. You know, I keep thinking that this was on a train. I'm still thinking that, but it can't be, can it? I'm talking about memories that didn't happen on a train obviously, am I not? Did I say it happened — you know, I'm beginning to — I'm very confused here! [Laughs.] I don't know what the hell's going on."

Budd Hopkins: "What made you say train?"

"I don't know."

Budd Hopkins: "Did you see —"

"No, no we were on a train. We really were on a train! We were on a train, and I'll tell you, the goddamndest thing happened when we were on the train. We ended up in this thing when we were on a train. The three of us were on a train. I'll tell you what we were doing, too. We were coming back from Madison, Wisconsin, on a train. In the year 1957. and that's when all this happened. I have no idea how I ended up there from being on a train."

Budd Hopkins: "Did you see like seats going back —"

"No, no, we were — you're kidding. My father didn't go on trains in seats. We were in a great big drawing room."

Budd Hopkins: "You were in a drawing room, OK."

"Yeah. Together in a room. And all of 'a sudden I'm not on a train, I'm sitting up in bed, and all these soldiers —"

"Did you have any covers?"

"No, no — yeah — there was a little — don't go so fast for me, Budd. I know you're eager to know, but my mind, my mind keeps-there's something in me that keeps saying,