Chapters (7)
I don’t know. I think of mythology as a whole set of false stories. Human life is coherent enough. There are lots of ways of talking about the – absolute – however you put it, with true images, true pointers, natural – sacraments – One thing can stand for another, that’s as deep as what’s deepest. People have always known this.
ACASTOS not expecting an answer
So it’s about what ordinary people can believe? It couldn’t just be a secret – No, of course not.
SOCRATES
Your Good, your sun, your holy light shining from outside existent being and yet also emerging from deep inside the soul. Aren’t these mythological pictures? Would you say it’s as if this were so?
PLATO visibly tiring now
Not as if. Learning and loving just are like that!
SOCRATES
One way of describing the world, perhaps, not an obvious one?
PLATO
When you see things in that light –
SOCRATES
Another metaphor.
TIMONAX
Give up Plato, you’re cornered!
SOCRATES
I don’t think he’s cornered!
PLATO making a new move
It’s got to be like that otherwise we won’t survive. The spirit must have something absolute, otherwise it goes crazy. Only religion can carry us through the – horrors – of the future –
SOCRATES
That’s a different point. We’ve had plenty of horrors in the recent past – you think there are more to come?
PLATO
Yes.
SOCRATES
Then your ‘ground of things’, your ‘it must be so’, is really ‘I want it to be so’, it’s a cry of fear?
PLATO
No –
SOCRATES
Perhaps you yourself are being too absolute. Religion naturally uses myth and art. These things too are instinctive, and perhaps religion will look after itself better than you imagine. You spoke of beauty – ritual is art, and art is the celebration of beauty. You say we’re not gods. But you expect us as thinkers to clarify these things which must perhaps always be mysterious and even fundamentally muddled. You say spirit must have absolute. Perhaps we are now entering a time when spirit cannot have any absolute.
PLATO
Oh – no – but it will be different later?
SOCRATES
Who knows what will happen later [ pause ]. I like what you say, I love what you say and I love you as you say it.
PLATO
Don’t you love me all the time?
SOCRATES
Yes, but especially in this. Now I want you to go on –
PLATO
I can’t go on!
SOCRATES
My dear good clever boy, now just try quietly to tell us –
Enter Alcibiades drunk, supported by the servant. Alcibiades puts on a ‘camp’ manner, but must be seen to be a tough dominating figure, a soldier and a leader. He could be wearing some sort of uniform.
ALCIBIADES
Socrates! I’ve been looking for you all over. Darling!
SOCRATES obviously pleased to see him
Alcibiades, come in, sit down. [ To Antagoras ] May he join us?
Antagoras makes a helpless humorous gesture.