"Just our son. Seems like there were a lot of noises, you know. Doesn't seem like it was a quiet night. I bet the impression — it wasn't a quiet night. I get the impression that someone was there but it wasn't Jacques and Annie, because they were in their room and they stayed in their room. But — and then I remember Annie comforting our boy... it was a woman... I thought it was Annie. It was Annie."

"You recognized her voice?"

"Yeah. I think I did. I think I did. Oh, I just get the impression … it's general and vague …

my memory is just no good. But I get the vague impression that they were in there like a cocoon. Locked in that room."

"Jacques and Annie?"

"Yeah."

"How did that happen?"

"Well, it's just because they were. It's like they couldn't get out, you know."

"You think they were paralyzed or something?"

"Well, I just knew they were in there. And they just weren't going to come out. And it was kind of odd because one of the things about sleeping upstairs is that you think the people who are downstairs might get up and walk around and you might hear them and they would hear you, but I 'knew that wasn't going to be the case. The feeling is very vague. I just remember feeling that. That they weren't going to come out. They shut the door and they weren't going to come out. I remember the morning, I came down and the door was still shut and I thought, Oh, they're still in there and I wonder if they can't come out, or if they will come out. I knew they still had to be in there, but it was almost as if they weren't."

Budd Hopkins: "Do you feel, at this point, that she was talking —"

"She was trying to comfort him."

Budd Hopkins: "So she did come out."

"Yeah, if it was Annie. It must have been Annie."

Budd Hopkins: "Did you hear words?"

"I think I did, but vaguely, like 'What's the matter?' I'm not that sure, though. I just remember it vaguely. But I remember thinking that everybody else got there first."

"I want to jump ahead to December twenty-sixth of 1985. What do you remember of that day, as you concentrate very hard."

"Day after .. . I don't remember anything."

"Think hard. Who was there?"

"Just us."

"The three of you."

"Oh, yeah."

"That was the day of the owl?"

"Well, that's what I'm told. I remember the owl. I remember Whitley talking about a crystal, too."

"About a what?"

"A crystal in the sky. But that was before the owl."

"What does that mean, a crystal in the sky?"

"A bright crystal in the sky."

"Did you see it?"

"Oh, no."

"Why do you say 'Oh, no' as if —?"

"Whitley saw a lot of things that I didn't see at that time."

"Did you look for it?"