"Well, I'm trying to be. I'm there and we go to bed. I remember when we're in the restaurant more clearly. Then we walk to the parking lot and the car s cold. Very cold. It's dark, but the restaurant's illuminated outside. It does seem to be a dark night yes it does. But the restaurant has lights aiming at it, so maybe the contrast... but it seems like a very black and inky night. But a clear night? Stars? I don't think it was gray and cloudy because when it's cloudy it seems light. But when it's clear you can see the dark night and you can see the stars. But. I don't —"

"Let's go back to your being in bed. It was some time after nine o'clock that night."

"It was odd being in bed with people in the house because you feel like you can't talk loudly. Out house is not very soundproof."

"What?"

"Our house isn't very soundproof."

"So you had to be quiet —"

"You feel like if you bounce around in bed they can hear you and they can hear you talk so you kind of whisper and feel self-conscious. .and it was odd to think of so than v people in the house because usually there's just my son down there and it's very empty... in the kitchen... you feel like it's empty and it was so full. The house was full, you know."

"Did that give you a feeling of security?"

"No. It was just different."

"But you do remember lying in bed with Whit and whispering?"

"Vaguely. Not very clearly. I don't remember much about that."

"Were you comfortable in bed?"

"Well, we were kind of — yeah, we're always comfortable in bed "

"On a night in October, it must be pretty chill up there "

"October? No. November. It's December."

"No. October fourth we're talking about."

"October?"

"It was October that Jacques and Annie —"

"So it was. I think it was December. Because remember snow. But it didn't snow in October "

"It didn't?"

"It's not likely. I remember snow." (Either she has confused the October and December experiences, or she has a vague memory of the chilly fog.) "I remember it was very cold."

"Do you remember the kind of clothes you were wearing when you went to the restaurant?"

"No. But they'd be casual clothes. Maybe they'd be my daytime clothes. A skirt... I might not have changed clothes."

"I'm interested in exploring how cold you were. Were you wearing enough clothes?"

"I might not have been, because I often leave my country clothes up there. It's always cold in that house, because you have to get the fire up. I would have been cold, but I turned on the electric mattress pad and got warm."

"How did your body feel that night?"

"Well, I think it was cold and got warm. Our room was very warm when Whitley woke me up."

"In the middle of the night or the morning?"